paskal
07-18 08:38 PM
Hi Paskal,
We dont have any official source of available visas for EB2 India as of now.
But based on the information availale it seems there would be about 30k visas, which are about 10 times more than what its been now (3,267 VISAS for EB2 India), available for EB2 India. Even though China shares with us for these visas, it would be minimal for china sharing as because china had already a cutoff date of Jan 2006 by Jul 2007. EB2 India has to be current pretty soon as of the increase in visa numbers allotment to almost about 10 times due to the horizontal fallout.
We need your inputs as well, on this calculation of estimated visas for EB2 India.
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Originally Posted by sumagiri :
There are some significant flaws in your analysis. If you correct them, the number comes to around 25K.
First. The family spill over has to be applied to all categories. So the total number is 140,000 + 19,000.
Second. You calculated EB1/2/3 gets 1/3 which is not correct. They use only 28.6% not 33.3% This makes difference.
Third. The EB1+EB2 combined 70K already counted 9,800 visas for India. We should not add them again.
According to USCIS/DOS testimonies they will usually end up using only 95% of total quota. They go conservatively because they must ensure that they won't use up even a single visa more than what law allows.So total available is approximately 159000*.95 = 151050
Third. EB1, EB2, EB3 each will get 28.6%. Not one third (33.3%). That makes lot of difference. So each category will get around 43,200.
EB4 and EB5 combined will get around 21,449
Now again, going by statistics and your assumptions that EB1 and EB2 takes up 70K and EB4, EB5 takes up around 10K. The unused visas are
((43,200*2)+21,449) - (70,000+10000) = 27849.
So the total EB2 visa usage will be around 70K + 25K =95K.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20167&highlight=vdlrao&page=7
but the spillover is done quarterly per USCIS.
we do not know how much of the stimated 20K (for India, assuming the erst is China) is already used up, assuming this is the total number if unused GC for the year.
We dont have any official source of available visas for EB2 India as of now.
But based on the information availale it seems there would be about 30k visas, which are about 10 times more than what its been now (3,267 VISAS for EB2 India), available for EB2 India. Even though China shares with us for these visas, it would be minimal for china sharing as because china had already a cutoff date of Jan 2006 by Jul 2007. EB2 India has to be current pretty soon as of the increase in visa numbers allotment to almost about 10 times due to the horizontal fallout.
We need your inputs as well, on this calculation of estimated visas for EB2 India.
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Originally Posted by sumagiri :
There are some significant flaws in your analysis. If you correct them, the number comes to around 25K.
First. The family spill over has to be applied to all categories. So the total number is 140,000 + 19,000.
Second. You calculated EB1/2/3 gets 1/3 which is not correct. They use only 28.6% not 33.3% This makes difference.
Third. The EB1+EB2 combined 70K already counted 9,800 visas for India. We should not add them again.
According to USCIS/DOS testimonies they will usually end up using only 95% of total quota. They go conservatively because they must ensure that they won't use up even a single visa more than what law allows.So total available is approximately 159000*.95 = 151050
Third. EB1, EB2, EB3 each will get 28.6%. Not one third (33.3%). That makes lot of difference. So each category will get around 43,200.
EB4 and EB5 combined will get around 21,449
Now again, going by statistics and your assumptions that EB1 and EB2 takes up 70K and EB4, EB5 takes up around 10K. The unused visas are
((43,200*2)+21,449) - (70,000+10000) = 27849.
So the total EB2 visa usage will be around 70K + 25K =95K.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20167&highlight=vdlrao&page=7
but the spillover is done quarterly per USCIS.
we do not know how much of the stimated 20K (for India, assuming the erst is China) is already used up, assuming this is the total number if unused GC for the year.
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lahiribaba
06-13 12:20 AM
I am simply stumped at the level of comprehension of the folks right here. Let me summarize my views as points and hopefully I will get through to you guys
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
look man wether anyone likes it or not fact is that jobs are going to two countries with a billion dollar plus population ... they are hardworking and they are verrrrrrrryyyyy hungry.... so even if you stop immigrants alltogether from coming to this country .. it does not matter. The jobs will simply go there (to China and India). After all the companies exist to serve their shareholders and not their employees and the simplest way to maximize profit is to cut cost. Simple!!! the outsourcing offshoring train has just started and there is no stopping it.
You may argue to some extent that the complexity of your job will provide your protection but the fact is management is always scared off complex functions that require expensive resources (i.e human beings) .. management will always want to break down your job to lowest common denominator so that it can be shipped or done at lower cost. For that they will be willing to go all the way - including changing technology , buying into marketing BS or spending millions of dollars.
Also if the american market dies is that going to be a very big deal ? not anymore .. the domestic market of both India and China is getting bigger everyday .. the fire has been lit and the horse has been left out of the stable .. its at a point of no return.
So brace for the change because the times are a changing...
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
look man wether anyone likes it or not fact is that jobs are going to two countries with a billion dollar plus population ... they are hardworking and they are verrrrrrrryyyyy hungry.... so even if you stop immigrants alltogether from coming to this country .. it does not matter. The jobs will simply go there (to China and India). After all the companies exist to serve their shareholders and not their employees and the simplest way to maximize profit is to cut cost. Simple!!! the outsourcing offshoring train has just started and there is no stopping it.
You may argue to some extent that the complexity of your job will provide your protection but the fact is management is always scared off complex functions that require expensive resources (i.e human beings) .. management will always want to break down your job to lowest common denominator so that it can be shipped or done at lower cost. For that they will be willing to go all the way - including changing technology , buying into marketing BS or spending millions of dollars.
Also if the american market dies is that going to be a very big deal ? not anymore .. the domestic market of both India and China is getting bigger everyday .. the fire has been lit and the horse has been left out of the stable .. its at a point of no return.
So brace for the change because the times are a changing...
nozerd
05-11 10:21 PM
A Canadian PR has the right to enter Canada (as opposed to a US PR who does not have the right and can be denied entrance by INS).
If you have not met 2 in 5 yr obligation Canadian Immigration will question you but let you in. They will give you a date on which you will have a court date with Immigration judge. Then its up to judge and you. You will have to give good reason why you were out ( waiting for US GC is not a good reason ).
Dont know about the reapplying part. Never heard of anyone having done it.
If you have not met 2 in 5 yr obligation Canadian Immigration will question you but let you in. They will give you a date on which you will have a court date with Immigration judge. Then its up to judge and you. You will have to give good reason why you were out ( waiting for US GC is not a good reason ).
Dont know about the reapplying part. Never heard of anyone having done it.
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vdlrao
07-21 05:46 PM
vdlrao,
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
These Unused Family Based Visas are from 2007. These Unused Family Based Visas of 2007 would be added to the following year (2008) Employment Based Visas.
The Unused Family Based VISAS from a perticular fiscal year made available to the Employment Based VISAS of the Follwing Fiscal Year. And the Unused EB4 and EB5 VISAS of a perticular fiscal year would be made available to the same year's
EB1 category.
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
These Unused Family Based Visas are from 2007. These Unused Family Based Visas of 2007 would be added to the following year (2008) Employment Based Visas.
The Unused Family Based VISAS from a perticular fiscal year made available to the Employment Based VISAS of the Follwing Fiscal Year. And the Unused EB4 and EB5 VISAS of a perticular fiscal year would be made available to the same year's
EB1 category.
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mchundi
02-19 04:49 PM
What you are talking here is the Eb1-EA category.. and not the general EB1 category..
The EB1 Category is primarily meant for inter company transfers. Most of the people who qualify to get GC under this category come to US through the inter company transfer route and are primarily on L1-A work visa. Folks under L1-A do not require a labor certification and directly file I-140 /485 unlike people who come on L1-b visa which is also inter company transfer and requires a person to file a labor certification in US and then file GC under Eb2 or Eb3 as the case may be.
It�s surprising that Eb1 is current for India. Going by the facts.. the top 3 IT companies had shipped most of their project folks infact every other person to US under L1-A in the last few years when H1-b was under scrutiny for these companies. Most of these people who came under L1-A should have applied for GC under Eb1 which should have retrogressed the dates for EB1 also. The only logical reason for this that these companies are being very selective in doing GC now unlike in the past when a lot of people had got GC under this category.. and the date for EB1 for India had retrogressed in beginning of 2006..
That apart the other reason why this category is current is that most of the staffing companies aka.. body shoppers cannot use this route to get people to US.. because they need to have full-fledged profitable operations overseas�. and the person being sponsored should have atleast worked for 365 days outside US for the company. The consulates do a complete check before giving an authorization under L1-A or L1-B category..
How many of the top indian IT companies file GC's for their employees?:rolleyes:
The EB1 Category is primarily meant for inter company transfers. Most of the people who qualify to get GC under this category come to US through the inter company transfer route and are primarily on L1-A work visa. Folks under L1-A do not require a labor certification and directly file I-140 /485 unlike people who come on L1-b visa which is also inter company transfer and requires a person to file a labor certification in US and then file GC under Eb2 or Eb3 as the case may be.
It�s surprising that Eb1 is current for India. Going by the facts.. the top 3 IT companies had shipped most of their project folks infact every other person to US under L1-A in the last few years when H1-b was under scrutiny for these companies. Most of these people who came under L1-A should have applied for GC under Eb1 which should have retrogressed the dates for EB1 also. The only logical reason for this that these companies are being very selective in doing GC now unlike in the past when a lot of people had got GC under this category.. and the date for EB1 for India had retrogressed in beginning of 2006..
That apart the other reason why this category is current is that most of the staffing companies aka.. body shoppers cannot use this route to get people to US.. because they need to have full-fledged profitable operations overseas�. and the person being sponsored should have atleast worked for 365 days outside US for the company. The consulates do a complete check before giving an authorization under L1-A or L1-B category..
How many of the top indian IT companies file GC's for their employees?:rolleyes:
pointlesswait
09-23 06:30 PM
there is a "right" time for everything..and now is not! thats all...
You are right, in times like these immigrants should not be welcomed with open arms so its time for you to pack-up and leave. Visit this website when you reach home and let us know you reached safely... safe travels.
You are right, in times like these immigrants should not be welcomed with open arms so its time for you to pack-up and leave. Visit this website when you reach home and let us know you reached safely... safe travels.
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VivekAhuja
09-23 04:03 PM
One of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard!
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GCAmigo
02-14 12:24 PM
Allowing anybody with an approved labour certification to immediately file for their 485 is clearly a bad idea given the constraints of the system as outlined by unitednations. We could make a change in our proposal so that only people with, say, a five year old priority date and an approved 140 could file for their 485 without a current priority date. oguinan
a 3-yr deadline..as I just entered my 4th year of this endless pain..
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chanduv23
02-14 12:34 PM
Watch and see how fast the Michigan government will start issuing DL to H1B holders and to those who has pending I-485.
http://www.aclumich.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=567
https://www.aclumich.org/pdf/licensecomplaint.pdf
If you believe in it, stay put - gather support. Work towards legal opinion. Not sure if IV core endorses it, but use the forum to get support.
Those who are interested must consider forming a mailing list and create a group.
Many people just take the poll, and run away if approached. Let everyone participate wholeheartedly.
IV wants all members to help in the Admin fix - "Letter to the President" campaign and it is very essential we follow peaceful methods. Please help make this campaign successful.
http://www.aclumich.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=567
https://www.aclumich.org/pdf/licensecomplaint.pdf
If you believe in it, stay put - gather support. Work towards legal opinion. Not sure if IV core endorses it, but use the forum to get support.
Those who are interested must consider forming a mailing list and create a group.
Many people just take the poll, and run away if approached. Let everyone participate wholeheartedly.
IV wants all members to help in the Admin fix - "Letter to the President" campaign and it is very essential we follow peaceful methods. Please help make this campaign successful.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 12:41 PM
You helped others not helping them do nothing. First help yourself by being EB2. Then try EB1.
You helped others not helping them do nothing.
Whaaaat i will let teh first part go because i am sure even you have no idea what you are talking about
First help yourself by being EB2. Then try EB1.
My friend what is so great about getting EB2. Nothing... What job i do currently is more than what is reuired for a EB2 req job. ANd i am still in EB3 and you know what i am ok with that. So me being EB3 is ok about it but you being EB2 is asking me (or should i say baiting me) to be EB2 and if possible EB1.
Shesssssssssssssssh. Ok sorry i promised nothing bad about EB2 mentality. I will keep my peace
You helped others not helping them do nothing.
Whaaaat i will let teh first part go because i am sure even you have no idea what you are talking about
First help yourself by being EB2. Then try EB1.
My friend what is so great about getting EB2. Nothing... What job i do currently is more than what is reuired for a EB2 req job. ANd i am still in EB3 and you know what i am ok with that. So me being EB3 is ok about it but you being EB2 is asking me (or should i say baiting me) to be EB2 and if possible EB1.
Shesssssssssssssssh. Ok sorry i promised nothing bad about EB2 mentality. I will keep my peace
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07-21 12:06 PM
Did it for 4 years and quit in 2007... lost 20K and 95% of my friends...
Quixtar is not bad but the people running sub-businesses (such as BWW etc) by pushing tapes and books on you make it HELL
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Stay Away unless you are willing to lose a lot to gain a few!!
PEACE
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justAnotherFile
06-27 10:15 PM
My 2 cents.
USCIS does not control the PD dates, State dept does. The state dept will change the PD's to when it runs out of visas to provide USCIS.
Case 1: Assume USCIS and State dept are in close touch over the currently approvable I-485s which can consume visas starting July 1
If USCIS has 40K such approvable apps, then the State Dept (being in close coordination with USCIS abt numbers) would have just moved the dates to Nov 2005 for EB-2 India the date when it retrogressed and similarly to the date when EB-3 retrogression first happened for India.
The fact that they did not do this means they do not have the sufficient numbers of approvable ones. Now the new ones filed in June or July will not become approvable until at least 90 days. So if they are hoping that some of the "new" 485 petitions filed in June/July will be straightforward enuf to approve in 4 months, they have to keep dates at current at least until July end.
Case 2: USCIS and State dept are not coordinating "closely" over the approvable numbers
This means the State dept arbitrarily changed the dates to Current instead of consulting with USCIS that they have 40K approvable petitions. And why woudl they in that case make the numbers unavailable in mid-july in that case?
Lastly even if the numbers can become Unavailable it has to be announced by State Dept. So worst case scenario it can become "U" in July 11-15, which makes the claim by Matthew-OH that it can become unavailable in July first week itself ridiculous.
USCIS does not control the PD dates, State dept does. The state dept will change the PD's to when it runs out of visas to provide USCIS.
Case 1: Assume USCIS and State dept are in close touch over the currently approvable I-485s which can consume visas starting July 1
If USCIS has 40K such approvable apps, then the State Dept (being in close coordination with USCIS abt numbers) would have just moved the dates to Nov 2005 for EB-2 India the date when it retrogressed and similarly to the date when EB-3 retrogression first happened for India.
The fact that they did not do this means they do not have the sufficient numbers of approvable ones. Now the new ones filed in June or July will not become approvable until at least 90 days. So if they are hoping that some of the "new" 485 petitions filed in June/July will be straightforward enuf to approve in 4 months, they have to keep dates at current at least until July end.
Case 2: USCIS and State dept are not coordinating "closely" over the approvable numbers
This means the State dept arbitrarily changed the dates to Current instead of consulting with USCIS that they have 40K approvable petitions. And why woudl they in that case make the numbers unavailable in mid-july in that case?
Lastly even if the numbers can become Unavailable it has to be announced by State Dept. So worst case scenario it can become "U" in July 11-15, which makes the claim by Matthew-OH that it can become unavailable in July first week itself ridiculous.
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Jerrome
05-12 02:16 PM
Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.
Don't you know about Israel? Don't tell me tamils are not discriminated in SL. It it outright lie and read my earlier posts with references.
Don't you know about Israel? Don't tell me tamils are not discriminated in SL. It it outright lie and read my earlier posts with references.
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swo
07-13 01:28 PM
And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..
More empty rebuttal from you. Quite remarkable.
2007 rankings - http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
2005 rankings - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm
UN Human Development Index 2006 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
So. You see. While there are many criteria that would rank the US over Canada (and by the way, the economy of the last 5-6 years would NOT be one of them), there is plenty of food for thought for those that consider Canada as one option of perhaps several.
More empty rebuttal from you. Quite remarkable.
2007 rankings - http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
2005 rankings - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm
UN Human Development Index 2006 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
So. You see. While there are many criteria that would rank the US over Canada (and by the way, the economy of the last 5-6 years would NOT be one of them), there is plenty of food for thought for those that consider Canada as one option of perhaps several.
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morchu
06-05 02:38 PM
I guess many have mentioned this before.
Diversity should not be based on "country" as well. For example I can easily say that "India" has to be considered as "20 different countries", if it divided based on diversity. And probably many of the europian countries combined should be "1 country".
Means if the diversity quota is 100 per year, to call for proper diversity.....
2000 for India...
100 for many of the european countries combined....
(Note: I didn't mean "ALL of europe", I know that whole Europe is pretty diverse as well...)
Country based "diversity" doesn't make sense at all.
Diversity should not be based on "country" as well. For example I can easily say that "India" has to be considered as "20 different countries", if it divided based on diversity. And probably many of the europian countries combined should be "1 country".
Means if the diversity quota is 100 per year, to call for proper diversity.....
2000 for India...
100 for many of the european countries combined....
(Note: I didn't mean "ALL of europe", I know that whole Europe is pretty diverse as well...)
Country based "diversity" doesn't make sense at all.
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bajrangbali
06-05 01:10 AM
That's a much better suggestion than playing carrot-and-stick on real-estate bargains Mr. Hiralal.
Now, what would really be effective is for our own people that are already naturalized and integrated and assimilated and digested in the US system to stand up for our cause.
Please, do this for us seniors. As citizens and permanent residents, your voice will be effectively heard. Case in point - legislation on re-uniting families. To begin with, family based has nearly 60% more visas than employment based and nearly 80% of the visas available are exempt from per-country limits. And yet, the politicians want to reform family based immigration process because the people at the receiving end are their citizens. There is nothing wrong with it because the wait-time for extended family members are really long too which is a shame. But you see, there are bills that are actively discussed and passed in that category i.e fundamental solutions are being explored.
Why is Mr. Bobby Jindal and likes of him not taking up our cause actively? People use their "humble-background" in campaign times. Why do they fail in holding out a helping hand to people that are stuck in such "humble-background"? Do you see such apathy in other minority communities?
Thanks.
Some interesting points you bring up here.
Forget those who got citizenship, even those who got GC turn a blind eye to the immigration issues and people still in line.
I can bet most of the GC and USC guys/gals would want us to just leave and stay away from USA :D
Tough luck pal..this is a dog eat dog world..and especially so with our guys/gals who are brought up in the rat race culture right from childhood...
"Live and let live" - yet to meet someone who really follows that...
I a will be happy if GC and USC guys/gals dont step up and start demanding no more visas and Indians in this country...i bet some are already supporting numbersusa and such groups...i know a lot of ppl who hates seeing a fellow desi at work/park/vacation/shopping..
Bobby Jindal :D well..wat can i say...the guy changed his name and doesnt want to be identified with his ethnic background...he will be the last person fighting for our cause..
Life is hard as it is...people here are on a common cause and helping each other..some need a channel to vent their frustation, some need a suggestion, some are paranoid, some are vigilantes, some are good samaritans... give them a GC or USC and wait for a while and see if they still support the cause...
Help each other and we can all prosper...guess it may remain a dream afterall
I guess most people are not happy with what they already have...just think about the toughest days in your lives and pat on ur back how you managed to fight through it...we all have our own good and bad times...
Aspiring for better future is what drives everyone...but it should not be at the expense of taking a look at what we all have now..and appreciate it...
We can race ahead..GC..USC..car..better car...house..second house...$$$...list never ends..i hope all of us can put their hand on heart admit that we were much happy and peaceful even when we did not have any of the above...
This post is not a rant or pointing fingers...just a retrospection
Life is beautiful...best things in life are free...
..just a post with a different point of view...best wishes to all!!!
Now, what would really be effective is for our own people that are already naturalized and integrated and assimilated and digested in the US system to stand up for our cause.
Please, do this for us seniors. As citizens and permanent residents, your voice will be effectively heard. Case in point - legislation on re-uniting families. To begin with, family based has nearly 60% more visas than employment based and nearly 80% of the visas available are exempt from per-country limits. And yet, the politicians want to reform family based immigration process because the people at the receiving end are their citizens. There is nothing wrong with it because the wait-time for extended family members are really long too which is a shame. But you see, there are bills that are actively discussed and passed in that category i.e fundamental solutions are being explored.
Why is Mr. Bobby Jindal and likes of him not taking up our cause actively? People use their "humble-background" in campaign times. Why do they fail in holding out a helping hand to people that are stuck in such "humble-background"? Do you see such apathy in other minority communities?
Thanks.
Some interesting points you bring up here.
Forget those who got citizenship, even those who got GC turn a blind eye to the immigration issues and people still in line.
I can bet most of the GC and USC guys/gals would want us to just leave and stay away from USA :D
Tough luck pal..this is a dog eat dog world..and especially so with our guys/gals who are brought up in the rat race culture right from childhood...
"Live and let live" - yet to meet someone who really follows that...
I a will be happy if GC and USC guys/gals dont step up and start demanding no more visas and Indians in this country...i bet some are already supporting numbersusa and such groups...i know a lot of ppl who hates seeing a fellow desi at work/park/vacation/shopping..
Bobby Jindal :D well..wat can i say...the guy changed his name and doesnt want to be identified with his ethnic background...he will be the last person fighting for our cause..
Life is hard as it is...people here are on a common cause and helping each other..some need a channel to vent their frustation, some need a suggestion, some are paranoid, some are vigilantes, some are good samaritans... give them a GC or USC and wait for a while and see if they still support the cause...
Help each other and we can all prosper...guess it may remain a dream afterall
I guess most people are not happy with what they already have...just think about the toughest days in your lives and pat on ur back how you managed to fight through it...we all have our own good and bad times...
Aspiring for better future is what drives everyone...but it should not be at the expense of taking a look at what we all have now..and appreciate it...
We can race ahead..GC..USC..car..better car...house..second house...$$$...list never ends..i hope all of us can put their hand on heart admit that we were much happy and peaceful even when we did not have any of the above...
This post is not a rant or pointing fingers...just a retrospection
Life is beautiful...best things in life are free...
..just a post with a different point of view...best wishes to all!!!
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perm2gc
10-24 11:06 AM
If you join Microsoft , you might get less salary but they pay your insurance 100%. Is microsoft selling insurance to you?? its just a benefit/perk being an employee of microsoft.
same thing here too... pre-approved labor is just a perk/benefit offered by employer to hire you with less salary. so if you think you sacrificed your salary to get to cut the line for getting GC then you are thinking right.if not please stop thinking like socialist.
It all about money and business brother.
We have so much discussion on this topic in many threads but i dont know why people want to discuss samething again and again.
We know LC substituion is good for few and worst for many...
Admins can you please close the thread...
same thing here too... pre-approved labor is just a perk/benefit offered by employer to hire you with less salary. so if you think you sacrificed your salary to get to cut the line for getting GC then you are thinking right.if not please stop thinking like socialist.
It all about money and business brother.
We have so much discussion on this topic in many threads but i dont know why people want to discuss samething again and again.
We know LC substituion is good for few and worst for many...
Admins can you please close the thread...
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dontcareanymore
06-24 06:21 PM
..I am waiting for the punch line. What's the point of this? We all know it...
Exactly !!
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edgarrecto
02-12 03:07 PM
Just missed.... My PD is EB3 Sep 2001... Not sure what is going to happen because of the latest name check procedure change....
my pd is september 27,2005. i am from thephilippines. i guess eb3 for philippines will be current very very soon
my pd is september 27,2005. i am from thephilippines. i guess eb3 for philippines will be current very very soon
newtoearth
05-02 09:19 AM
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smisachu
06-16 02:55 PM
You cannot compare a recession to retrogression. A recession is a shrinking economy which is a natural correction of supply and demand. Retrogression is an artificial rationing which has no bearing on demand. It is almost un democratic and prejudiced. What they are doing here by imposing caps by country is they are rationing brilliance. Is it our fault that India and China produces more number of PhD�s and engineers than say Kenya or Denmark?
If you are looking for diversity look for it under family immigration and not under employment based immigration.
Your analogy of recession works for the H1. As you see in a falling demand environment the demand for H1 visas this year is tepid compared to previous years. There is no excess supply in employment based immigration as all EB immigrants are gainfully employed and hence �Employment Based� immigrants. There certainly are some who have purchased substitute labor certifications and finding loop holes in the law through consulting firms. I doubt that they are a significant part of the population waiting for visa numbers.
Your attaining green card is luck more than Pluck. Due to random visa allotment last year many people with dates in 2006 were given green cards ignoring people with prior dates. Now do you intend to say that they were more qualified than those with older priority dates? The whole intention of retrogression is not even to weed out the bum applicants, it is just a result of apathy towards a small immigrant population which is politically insignificant. You can argue all you want of the survival of fittest, but the basic fact is if some one has a PhD in physics and has multiple companies offering jobs, he is not going to stand in line meekly to collect his green card after 10 years. He is going to leg it and go to some other country who will welcome him and his intellect with open arms. So the fittest will be gone and only the mediocre will be left.
The current retrogression is not a way to filter the fittest out; it is just dumb political red tape.
Why do you have to resort to calling names ? Are ad hominem arguments the best you could come up with ? Let me give you an analogous case wherein people say that a recession is a good thing. Recession occurs in order to cleanse the economy of bohemian excesses and inefficiencies. Do you think that such people are sadists and belong to the mental asylum ? Of course there are people who get affected in a recession. Does it mean it is not desired ? In a similar vein, you need to understand that there were and are huge gaping inefficiencies in the current immigration process. There has to be a way to curb these excesses and inefficiencies. Retrogression may not be the best way but it is the only way utilized right now. If you still believe that I have to subscribe to these inefficiencies despite having gone through the immigration process, I am sorry I beg to differ.
If you are looking for diversity look for it under family immigration and not under employment based immigration.
Your analogy of recession works for the H1. As you see in a falling demand environment the demand for H1 visas this year is tepid compared to previous years. There is no excess supply in employment based immigration as all EB immigrants are gainfully employed and hence �Employment Based� immigrants. There certainly are some who have purchased substitute labor certifications and finding loop holes in the law through consulting firms. I doubt that they are a significant part of the population waiting for visa numbers.
Your attaining green card is luck more than Pluck. Due to random visa allotment last year many people with dates in 2006 were given green cards ignoring people with prior dates. Now do you intend to say that they were more qualified than those with older priority dates? The whole intention of retrogression is not even to weed out the bum applicants, it is just a result of apathy towards a small immigrant population which is politically insignificant. You can argue all you want of the survival of fittest, but the basic fact is if some one has a PhD in physics and has multiple companies offering jobs, he is not going to stand in line meekly to collect his green card after 10 years. He is going to leg it and go to some other country who will welcome him and his intellect with open arms. So the fittest will be gone and only the mediocre will be left.
The current retrogression is not a way to filter the fittest out; it is just dumb political red tape.
Why do you have to resort to calling names ? Are ad hominem arguments the best you could come up with ? Let me give you an analogous case wherein people say that a recession is a good thing. Recession occurs in order to cleanse the economy of bohemian excesses and inefficiencies. Do you think that such people are sadists and belong to the mental asylum ? Of course there are people who get affected in a recession. Does it mean it is not desired ? In a similar vein, you need to understand that there were and are huge gaping inefficiencies in the current immigration process. There has to be a way to curb these excesses and inefficiencies. Retrogression may not be the best way but it is the only way utilized right now. If you still believe that I have to subscribe to these inefficiencies despite having gone through the immigration process, I am sorry I beg to differ.
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