longwait4gc
05-06 12:59 PM
Please go and take some english writting classes first. Your english is very poor. Taking some classes will help you in longterm. MBA in US is taught in english not telgu. An MBA from a shady univ is not going to help you anyway and USCIS is cracking down hard on bogus porting these days.
Can you take some writing classes first? Your English is full of typos and grammatical mistakes.
How do you know if that person knows Telugu?
Why do you have so much hate against Telugu people? Are you an anti-immigrant?
Can you take some writing classes first? Your English is full of typos and grammatical mistakes.
How do you know if that person knows Telugu?
Why do you have so much hate against Telugu people? Are you an anti-immigrant?
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EB-VoiceImmigration
09-14 03:14 AM
Here are my thoughts/suggestions:
Its good to know what other people are doing.. but when the decision time comes only ur personal things that matters
Ask your self questions like some of the below:
1) how long u are planning to stay in house/US - based on this u can use rent vs Buy calculators to see which option is better for you.
2) is ur monthly income (Net .. not gross) is enough to buy the house u want? - means house in good location, with minimum sqft, enough rooms etc
3) is this right time for you or r u just want to take advantage of 8000/- pay back - if so please think twice - you can save or get back this money by other means if you carefully plan. Just see if you are better off purchasing house next year.
4) if the house purchased, will you able to fund any future investments?
many more personal things to consider...
so THINK ,... THINK, and again THINK before jumping on this HUGE investment.
Its good to know what other people are doing.. but when the decision time comes only ur personal things that matters
Ask your self questions like some of the below:
1) how long u are planning to stay in house/US - based on this u can use rent vs Buy calculators to see which option is better for you.
2) is ur monthly income (Net .. not gross) is enough to buy the house u want? - means house in good location, with minimum sqft, enough rooms etc
3) is this right time for you or r u just want to take advantage of 8000/- pay back - if so please think twice - you can save or get back this money by other means if you carefully plan. Just see if you are better off purchasing house next year.
4) if the house purchased, will you able to fund any future investments?
many more personal things to consider...
so THINK ,... THINK, and again THINK before jumping on this HUGE investment.
krishna.ahd
09-06 09:53 AM
Well, I like you because you are just a straight shooter. If you are such a straight shooter then let me do some straight talk, so just catch this.
Your American mid-size company or Desi small size or super size company will get $180/hr but you will not get even $50/hr from the same client even when you go direct. So no matter how "highly-skilled" you think you are, your non-compete argument is not good enough for you not to be able directly market yourself, because there are gazillion other companies using BI, Cognos, BO, Informatica, Datastage and every similar crap. You can impress a few people by naming some technologies that maybe hot but they don't mean a &hit if you market them yourself. Here is why. A lot of people blame the lack of GC as a reason to be exploited. That is part of the problem. The other part of the problem is that most hiring managers in large companies get commission from these small, mid-size or large American, Desi or European consulting companies. That's why in most cases they always hire through one of these companies. They will not hire directly because the manager thinks you to be a stingy desi, and if he hires you directly the hiring manager will not see a dime, so why will he hire you directly? This is a big cycle of corruption and everybody is part of it including lawmakers who get contributions from lobbyist/representatives of these small, mid and large size companies. You think lawmakers don't know what is going on? You think client doesn't know that you make 85K when the middle company get $180/hr? You think the big-bosses at the company/client doesn't know that the hiring managers are getting favors from middle companies? You think lawmakers doesn't know that immigrant worker waiting for long delayed GC is bonded to an employer that buys employee retention insurance policy for the employer? They all know it. But you see every player in this movie, you, your hiring boss at the client site, the middle company, the lobbyist, the lawmaker and many more, they are all being paid from that $180/hr which you think that you are entitled for because you know Oracle BI and Congnos. Do you realize how easy this ETL, Informatica bull &hit is but somehow you seem to think that its worth $180/hr. And you seem to think that your problem is that other than you, everybody else around you is faking resumes. If you are so smart answer this, how will you avoid using two bitmap index on two columns in two tables when used in the same query? And why would you want to avoid using both the bitmap indexes? Na Na, now don't go to Asktom.com to look for an answer, you are highly skilled, you deserve $180/hr for knowing Congnos and Informatica, shouldn't you be knowing atleast this.
Sorry, did not mean to put you on the spot, just trying to highlight that the problem in this entire debate is, every player in the picture stands up for his/her position always trying to project self-righteous image highlighting the part of the movie in which he or she is the hero and all others are villains. And BTW, now some "super-genius" branic at IEEE - some Ron Hira or NumberUSA or someone with the name Matloff will selectively cut paste from yours or mine post and use it to prove his/her agenda to make name and career for himself as if he is the savior of the world and ALL IMMIGRANTS are evil. And the story goes on and people continue to wait for something to happen when the cycle of corruption continues.... Best of luck my friend, you sure should get $180/hr on EAD, GC and when you are a citizen. It the turn of the idiots at Programmers Guild to read this thread thinking why they are not getting $180/hr. And those geniuses still don't get.... and they blame us for their problems. Well, its not their fault, they have to find and label some group of people as their enemy before they can play a victim card to get some sympathy and relief from nationalistic group of politicians.
Very Well Said Sanju . ( not to offend valuablehurdle or infact anyone else )
Yes GC/EAD gives to room to look around / negotiate the higher rate , to sustain and move up will require a lot more than that.
Look at the aveage compansation for any area.
Assess your expertise ( not to compare with you the guy sitting next to you)
Try to move up in the ladder
Keep updating your tech skill
Diversify to more ( but related ) skill.
Add niche like PMP / Six Sigma.
Top of all , little bit of Luck , to be right place at the right time .
I dont think , i have mentioned anything here extra ordinary , only "CS"
Wish you good luck
Your American mid-size company or Desi small size or super size company will get $180/hr but you will not get even $50/hr from the same client even when you go direct. So no matter how "highly-skilled" you think you are, your non-compete argument is not good enough for you not to be able directly market yourself, because there are gazillion other companies using BI, Cognos, BO, Informatica, Datastage and every similar crap. You can impress a few people by naming some technologies that maybe hot but they don't mean a &hit if you market them yourself. Here is why. A lot of people blame the lack of GC as a reason to be exploited. That is part of the problem. The other part of the problem is that most hiring managers in large companies get commission from these small, mid-size or large American, Desi or European consulting companies. That's why in most cases they always hire through one of these companies. They will not hire directly because the manager thinks you to be a stingy desi, and if he hires you directly the hiring manager will not see a dime, so why will he hire you directly? This is a big cycle of corruption and everybody is part of it including lawmakers who get contributions from lobbyist/representatives of these small, mid and large size companies. You think lawmakers don't know what is going on? You think client doesn't know that you make 85K when the middle company get $180/hr? You think the big-bosses at the company/client doesn't know that the hiring managers are getting favors from middle companies? You think lawmakers doesn't know that immigrant worker waiting for long delayed GC is bonded to an employer that buys employee retention insurance policy for the employer? They all know it. But you see every player in this movie, you, your hiring boss at the client site, the middle company, the lobbyist, the lawmaker and many more, they are all being paid from that $180/hr which you think that you are entitled for because you know Oracle BI and Congnos. Do you realize how easy this ETL, Informatica bull &hit is but somehow you seem to think that its worth $180/hr. And you seem to think that your problem is that other than you, everybody else around you is faking resumes. If you are so smart answer this, how will you avoid using two bitmap index on two columns in two tables when used in the same query? And why would you want to avoid using both the bitmap indexes? Na Na, now don't go to Asktom.com to look for an answer, you are highly skilled, you deserve $180/hr for knowing Congnos and Informatica, shouldn't you be knowing atleast this.
Sorry, did not mean to put you on the spot, just trying to highlight that the problem in this entire debate is, every player in the picture stands up for his/her position always trying to project self-righteous image highlighting the part of the movie in which he or she is the hero and all others are villains. And BTW, now some "super-genius" branic at IEEE - some Ron Hira or NumberUSA or someone with the name Matloff will selectively cut paste from yours or mine post and use it to prove his/her agenda to make name and career for himself as if he is the savior of the world and ALL IMMIGRANTS are evil. And the story goes on and people continue to wait for something to happen when the cycle of corruption continues.... Best of luck my friend, you sure should get $180/hr on EAD, GC and when you are a citizen. It the turn of the idiots at Programmers Guild to read this thread thinking why they are not getting $180/hr. And those geniuses still don't get.... and they blame us for their problems. Well, its not their fault, they have to find and label some group of people as their enemy before they can play a victim card to get some sympathy and relief from nationalistic group of politicians.
Very Well Said Sanju . ( not to offend valuablehurdle or infact anyone else )
Yes GC/EAD gives to room to look around / negotiate the higher rate , to sustain and move up will require a lot more than that.
Look at the aveage compansation for any area.
Assess your expertise ( not to compare with you the guy sitting next to you)
Try to move up in the ladder
Keep updating your tech skill
Diversify to more ( but related ) skill.
Add niche like PMP / Six Sigma.
Top of all , little bit of Luck , to be right place at the right time .
I dont think , i have mentioned anything here extra ordinary , only "CS"
Wish you good luck
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gcisadawg
01-22 02:07 AM
Sanju:
Actual number of I-485 pending is 673,694, please refer the following link.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/Natz_Benefits_Oct2008.pdf
I don't know this number is only Employment based or it has included family based too.
Can someone please confirm this?
I beleive that the recapture is going to help us a lot.
That number is correct. That is pending I-485's as of Oct 31st. That includes both family based as well as EB. In June 2008, Ron Gotcher wrote a post that EB 485s pending at that time was about 400K (From USCIS statistics - total pending as of June 30th - 740,969). He made that statement after he had a conversation with Mr. Charles Oppenheimer. We sliced and diced that number in one of the thread.
Actual number of I-485 pending is 673,694, please refer the following link.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/Natz_Benefits_Oct2008.pdf
I don't know this number is only Employment based or it has included family based too.
Can someone please confirm this?
I beleive that the recapture is going to help us a lot.
That number is correct. That is pending I-485's as of Oct 31st. That includes both family based as well as EB. In June 2008, Ron Gotcher wrote a post that EB 485s pending at that time was about 400K (From USCIS statistics - total pending as of June 30th - 740,969). He made that statement after he had a conversation with Mr. Charles Oppenheimer. We sliced and diced that number in one of the thread.
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unitednations
04-27 04:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^
yes; if you are gaining experience from current employer it has to be 50% different.
Practical issue is that DOL analyst very rarely analyzes it as such. They just deny it stating that experience was gained through petitioning employer. Then you have to go through the appeals route and try to get it approved that way.
yes; if you are gaining experience from current employer it has to be 50% different.
Practical issue is that DOL analyst very rarely analyzes it as such. They just deny it stating that experience was gained through petitioning employer. Then you have to go through the appeals route and try to get it approved that way.
msp1976
05-11 03:12 PM
My understanding :
The current versiion of the bill says thus :
All illegals have to establish eligibility for adjustment of status..Now that could be done through a labor certification or some kind of review by the USCIS. The law does not say how.
It could mean that all of them submit some sort of form to USCIS immediately after the law comes into effect..Then after 6 years they would be eligible to adjust status..that is 485 filing...
The current versiion of the bill says thus :
All illegals have to establish eligibility for adjustment of status..Now that could be done through a labor certification or some kind of review by the USCIS. The law does not say how.
It could mean that all of them submit some sort of form to USCIS immediately after the law comes into effect..Then after 6 years they would be eligible to adjust status..that is 485 filing...
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kuppas
02-20 03:25 PM
I have been doing the same research for the past one month, here is my experience.
1. Termlife Vs Wholelife.
Term is better than whole life. Instead of going with whole life, you can have Term + Saving account. For example, if you need $500/year for term and $2500/year for whole life. Take the Term insurnace and pay $500/year, open a saving account and deposit $2000/year ($2500 - $500).
2. You can compare the different life insurance with ratings. http://www.term4sale.com/
3. No life insurance for H1 (non-immigrant)
I have talked to WesternSouthern and Metlife agents. WS does not offer Life insurance for H1 but Metlife offer life insurance provided that insured person must be working in the same company for last five years.
4. Insurance here (US) vs India
Term insurance in India is much higher than insurance here. I got the quote here for $500/year but for the same insurance amount, the LIC cost me Rs.80,000.00
5. Hidden items
Make sure, you understand all the hidden item when you take insurance from here(US) or India. If you (owner+beneficiary) take life insurance here, the insured person stays outside the country for long time (more than six weeks) and if the insured person dies then you can't claim.
Thanks,
-Kuppa
1. Termlife Vs Wholelife.
Term is better than whole life. Instead of going with whole life, you can have Term + Saving account. For example, if you need $500/year for term and $2500/year for whole life. Take the Term insurnace and pay $500/year, open a saving account and deposit $2000/year ($2500 - $500).
2. You can compare the different life insurance with ratings. http://www.term4sale.com/
3. No life insurance for H1 (non-immigrant)
I have talked to WesternSouthern and Metlife agents. WS does not offer Life insurance for H1 but Metlife offer life insurance provided that insured person must be working in the same company for last five years.
4. Insurance here (US) vs India
Term insurance in India is much higher than insurance here. I got the quote here for $500/year but for the same insurance amount, the LIC cost me Rs.80,000.00
5. Hidden items
Make sure, you understand all the hidden item when you take insurance from here(US) or India. If you (owner+beneficiary) take life insurance here, the insured person stays outside the country for long time (more than six weeks) and if the insured person dies then you can't claim.
Thanks,
-Kuppa
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singhsa3
08-12 09:29 PM
Thank you guys, I will compile this sometime tomorrow.
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superdoc
09-19 04:42 PM
There is no such thing as "invoking" AC21. Its a law. Most important thing is, your I-140 must have been approved and I-485 is pending for more then 180 days....you are Free to sail in the same or similar field.
Forget about option 2.
Everyone thank you for the quick replies...
How about if I send in Ac 21 paperwork and still be on leave of absence from my present company which sponsored my GC. It only gives me peace of mind because in case the new job does not work out I can still come back...
Forget about option 2.
Everyone thank you for the quick replies...
How about if I send in Ac 21 paperwork and still be on leave of absence from my present company which sponsored my GC. It only gives me peace of mind because in case the new job does not work out I can still come back...
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04-26 06:25 AM
TMC Net: (http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/04/26/1610336.htm)
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chanduv23
10-15 11:10 AM
Good to hear from you sweet23guyin... seems you guys had a ball after I left.. ;-)
Well - his Brother in law silently announced that it was his brithday after you all left :) and they treated me with a nice dinner :)
Well - his Brother in law silently announced that it was his brithday after you all left :) and they treated me with a nice dinner :)
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bestofall
06-25 03:25 PM
Guru s
I have a question on my wife' AP renewal
My wife would like travel to India and come back in November or Dec 2008.she would like to leave on August Last week
Any way we would like appy for renewal of AP , the current which expires on Oct 30 2008.
Let us say if we apply for AP Renewal July 2- or July 3 , the new AP may come before her Journey date Augut 2008 , OR It may not come before her Journey date Augut 2008 .
Since her current AP expires on Oct 30 2008 , Does she need to come back to USA before Oct 30 2008 ? or can we mail extended AP to India , if she is travelling back after Oct 30 in November or December
please advise us , accordingly we will make travel plans
1. ..If we can mail the her New Advance Parole document to India.
2. Can she Leave the country while her AP in Process
I have a question on my wife' AP renewal
My wife would like travel to India and come back in November or Dec 2008.she would like to leave on August Last week
Any way we would like appy for renewal of AP , the current which expires on Oct 30 2008.
Let us say if we apply for AP Renewal July 2- or July 3 , the new AP may come before her Journey date Augut 2008 , OR It may not come before her Journey date Augut 2008 .
Since her current AP expires on Oct 30 2008 , Does she need to come back to USA before Oct 30 2008 ? or can we mail extended AP to India , if she is travelling back after Oct 30 in November or December
please advise us , accordingly we will make travel plans
1. ..If we can mail the her New Advance Parole document to India.
2. Can she Leave the country while her AP in Process
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Ramba
09-05 03:01 PM
Technically, you are right. But on the other hand, it was at a time when one had to wait at the most 6 months for AOS.
But, for people from India, on EB categories, the wait is not months, its in YEARS. So, its irrational to go by whats written there.
On the other hand: I think we must request USCIS to recognize this underlying problem with EB folks that are primarily from India. They must print an exception on the AP for India and exclude the wording "for emergency purpose only". I don't know if USCIS has the discretionary power to amend minor changes.
If AOS takes many years, then keep the non-immigrant visa, so that no need to worry about AP.
But, for people from India, on EB categories, the wait is not months, its in YEARS. So, its irrational to go by whats written there.
On the other hand: I think we must request USCIS to recognize this underlying problem with EB folks that are primarily from India. They must print an exception on the AP for India and exclude the wording "for emergency purpose only". I don't know if USCIS has the discretionary power to amend minor changes.
If AOS takes many years, then keep the non-immigrant visa, so that no need to worry about AP.
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gcisadawg
01-22 01:21 PM
Thanks for the reply. I am not sure how that will divide the community. As per USCIS laws currently, the spillover is horizontal. Based on this assumption, will EB3-I get any visas if the recapture is successful?
When USCIS changed the laws, there was a bloodbath here between Eb3 and EB2 folks...
Looks like you were not aware of it!
When USCIS changed the laws, there was a bloodbath here between Eb3 and EB2 folks...
Looks like you were not aware of it!
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bitzbytz
06-25 12:14 AM
My wife does not ahve paystubs from Oct 06 to Dec 06 and no W2 for year 2006. SO I would need a absence letter. Any for mat of letter would be appreciated.
We have paystubs from jan 07 to Jun 07 and plan to leave in July after filing 485 and plan to re enter in August using unexpired H4 visa.
I know of someone who used unexpired H4 visa inspite of being on H1 before leaving US
Any issues with above scenario?
We have paystubs from jan 07 to Jun 07 and plan to leave in July after filing 485 and plan to re enter in August using unexpired H4 visa.
I know of someone who used unexpired H4 visa inspite of being on H1 before leaving US
Any issues with above scenario?
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hebron
04-22 03:35 PM
although this doesn't fit 100% to your case. You may want to look at the attached administrative appeals office decision.
Essentially, a person was denied in eb2 because they had a 3 yr bsc and 2 year masters. they had education evaluationstating that masters indian degree was equal to us masters degree.
nebraska service center stated that 3+2 is not equal to masters degree. Admininstrative appeals office decision approved it saying that it didn't matter how long the combined study was. As long as foreign masters equals us masters then that is all which needs to be proven.
My experience has been that texas service center sends an rfe for this 3+2 education. I know of 8 cases where thie decision was shown in the rfe and they all 8 got approved. I know of one case in nebraska where this case was shown and they still denied it stating that it wasn't a precedent decision (person already had another 140 denied and there was some history in his case which i believe caused nebraska to deny it). Odd part was that the appeals office decision was from nebraska service center
The above mentioned case was later denied. AAO withdrew the approval. See this link -
http://www.uscis.gov/err/B5%20-%20Members%20of%20the%20Professions%20holding%20Ad vanced%20Degrees%20or%20Aliens%20of%20Exceptional% 20Ability/Decisions_Issued_in_2009/Apr282009_01B5203.pdf
Essentially, a person was denied in eb2 because they had a 3 yr bsc and 2 year masters. they had education evaluationstating that masters indian degree was equal to us masters degree.
nebraska service center stated that 3+2 is not equal to masters degree. Admininstrative appeals office decision approved it saying that it didn't matter how long the combined study was. As long as foreign masters equals us masters then that is all which needs to be proven.
My experience has been that texas service center sends an rfe for this 3+2 education. I know of 8 cases where thie decision was shown in the rfe and they all 8 got approved. I know of one case in nebraska where this case was shown and they still denied it stating that it wasn't a precedent decision (person already had another 140 denied and there was some history in his case which i believe caused nebraska to deny it). Odd part was that the appeals office decision was from nebraska service center
The above mentioned case was later denied. AAO withdrew the approval. See this link -
http://www.uscis.gov/err/B5%20-%20Members%20of%20the%20Professions%20holding%20Ad vanced%20Degrees%20or%20Aliens%20of%20Exceptional% 20Ability/Decisions_Issued_in_2009/Apr282009_01B5203.pdf
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pappu
10-16 10:10 AM
If you marry a girl after geting greencard you have to wait 5 years to bring her to US. So better yet, marry after you get citizenship :D which might be when you are ready to collect your social security
:D
Good to see some light hearted comments to help uplift our moods in the gloomy greencard situation.
:D
Good to see some light hearted comments to help uplift our moods in the gloomy greencard situation.
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chanduv23
09-22 04:57 PM
A very horrible psychopath who has proven himself to be a loser all his life has given me a red with the following " hehehehehhehehehehh" words for my above post.
My message to whoever gave me a red - u r such a loser.
Invoking AC21 is easy, but you need to know what you can expect and how to resolve it
(1) If you decided to change to new employer using EAD - there is nothing you need to do. Just join and work.
(2) As employer is asking what they need to do - tell them they need to provide an AC21 letter of support - you can find various formats on the web.
(3) Your new job must be in same or similar category.
(4) Call customer service to verify your address on file - also hire a personal attorney and make sure they file g 28 and have them on file too for USCIS communication
(5) Your AC21 letter may/may not reach your file depending on the service center, officer and a lot of other factors.
(6) Usually most AC21 cases go through just fine unless your ex employer requests a revoke on i 140 - in such a situation you may get an RFE, NOID or a straight denial on 485 - nothing to worry about - you can resolve all these and you will find yourself back on track.
Hope this helps
My message to whoever gave me a red - u r such a loser.
Invoking AC21 is easy, but you need to know what you can expect and how to resolve it
(1) If you decided to change to new employer using EAD - there is nothing you need to do. Just join and work.
(2) As employer is asking what they need to do - tell them they need to provide an AC21 letter of support - you can find various formats on the web.
(3) Your new job must be in same or similar category.
(4) Call customer service to verify your address on file - also hire a personal attorney and make sure they file g 28 and have them on file too for USCIS communication
(5) Your AC21 letter may/may not reach your file depending on the service center, officer and a lot of other factors.
(6) Usually most AC21 cases go through just fine unless your ex employer requests a revoke on i 140 - in such a situation you may get an RFE, NOID or a straight denial on 485 - nothing to worry about - you can resolve all these and you will find yourself back on track.
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krishmunn
05-10 09:21 AM
I feel sorry for the people who live in slums of dharavi but not for people who should not have been in the US in the first place (based on their education) and are now finding ways to get ahead of the legit EB2 candidates by buying masters degrees.
They are NOT buying MS, they are inquiring where the fees are cheaper. If this is buying MS, even you *bought* your Masters (and every other degree) unless you are from the 1% who get full scholarship (you would definitely have been in EB1 had you been in that layer).
They are NOT buying MS, they are inquiring where the fees are cheaper. If this is buying MS, even you *bought* your Masters (and every other degree) unless you are from the 1% who get full scholarship (you would definitely have been in EB1 had you been in that layer).
chanduv23
10-04 04:53 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
desi3933
06-19 07:17 AM
If you don't need EAD to use AC21 whats the use of EAD for the primary applicant?
I was not planning to change company and just filed my 485 without EAD last week. But now situation has changed and the lawyer said i need EAD if i want to use AC21 after 6 months. I'm hoping to get a receipt notice soon so that i can file for EAD without the increased fees. Anybody has any link to where it says we don't need EAD for AC21 so i can check with my lawyer?
Your lawyer seems to be incorrect on this. You may want to consider getting second opinion.
AC-21 can be invoked on H1 as well as on EAD. Your choice.
Many times, joining second employer is relatively easy on EAD as it involves no H1 filing (less paperwork), but using EAD requires one to travel ONLY on AP.
Using H1 is more peace of mind. If for some reason I-485 is denied, one can in US (and work too) until H1 status expiry date and handle appeal more effectively.
Hope it helps.
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Permanent Resident since May 2002
I was not planning to change company and just filed my 485 without EAD last week. But now situation has changed and the lawyer said i need EAD if i want to use AC21 after 6 months. I'm hoping to get a receipt notice soon so that i can file for EAD without the increased fees. Anybody has any link to where it says we don't need EAD for AC21 so i can check with my lawyer?
Your lawyer seems to be incorrect on this. You may want to consider getting second opinion.
AC-21 can be invoked on H1 as well as on EAD. Your choice.
Many times, joining second employer is relatively easy on EAD as it involves no H1 filing (less paperwork), but using EAD requires one to travel ONLY on AP.
Using H1 is more peace of mind. If for some reason I-485 is denied, one can in US (and work too) until H1 status expiry date and handle appeal more effectively.
Hope it helps.
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Permanent Resident since May 2002
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